DD, while I know it is tough to police cars, I don't know with whom the burden should lay. I am not going to go around snooping in peoples cars, even cars of drivers whom are my close friends. I am just going to assume we are all playing by the same rules, but clearly this isn't the case. I got my doors blown off by a certain turbo in each nationals race. A car I saw clearly had an aftermarket BOV (noticed while I was hanging in the tech area waiting for you) and a modified AFM, among who knows what other mods.

Modified by MikeBuck at 12:34 AM 10/14/2009

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God willing we will all be there to joust!

On another topic, I've been following the post from my fellow racers and from my past experience it is always best to speak to the person you have a beef with directly and not air it out here!

So, just pick up the phone.

Linda and I drove to the track Saturday morning and arrived as the 44 Cups were being grid. We watched the race from the deck and immediately noticed Karl Poetl was not running a windshield banner, although he had been sent a banner at DD’s request about a month earlier.

After the race, I found Karl Poetl in the paddock and asked why he had no Apex Performance banner on his windshield. Karl said that he had forgotten to bring the banner and that he had told DD that he had no banner on Friday. Further Karl said that Dave did not have any spare banners with him.

I immediately went into a slow burn. Here we are at the biggest 44Cup event of the year which was being filmed and the lead car didn’t have our banner on it. Had Dave called us Friday in South Carolina, we certainly would have brought a banner with us to the track and this situation never would have occurred. However, we were never notified of the need.

To say the least I was astounded that this “lack of banner” situation had occurred.
Dave always hounds everyone until the 44Cup and banner stickers are on the car.

Saturday evening before the dinner, Karl Poetl, Bill Comat and Ernie Jakabowski
had their cars on display in the dining area. Karl’s car still had no Apex windshield banner but rather his Racers Edge Banner. At this point, I told Dave that I had confronted Karl about the banner in the parking lot and Karls response of…”I told Dave I forgot the Banner yesterday”. Dave’s only reaction at this point was, “ Thanks for pointing that out, I have some banners in the trailer”. As it turned out Dave came back up with a Super Cup banner from his trailer and it was put on Karl’s car before the dinner. From Dave’s reaction …I’d say he knew Karl’s car had no banner and had no intention of applying one.

If Dave didn’t know Karl’s car had no banner, he could have politely DQ’d him as a direct rules violation. Instead he chose to cover the situation up. It was as though Karl had been given a special “pass” on the banner.

To add insult to injury, Mike Buck told of a situation at Watkins Glen where he had no banner on his car but was awarded SuperCup points. Then I realized, Karl Poetl probably had no Apex Banner on his windshield all year but had been awarded points.

As I see it there are 2 issues here: First, Apex Performance as Title Sponsor Of the 944 Cup will not be able to use the National video for any promotion… but Racer’s Edge will. The second and larger issue is the cover up of the Rules violation by the person who is supposed to be enforcing the rules.

It’s only a banner but I would think that anyone that has provided the majority of the monetary sponsorship for the 944 Cup over some years is justified in complaining.

I would disagree with Frank. As a driver, someone elses car prep has never taken all the fun out of it me for me. But maybe the drivers outside the top 10 have fun racing for different reasons.

For anyone else who doesnt know, the burden falls on all of us. If you see something illegal, and dont say anything to the driver or a Cup official, you are doing a disservice to all running in the series. And do it when u see it.

If you are too shy to speak up at the track, then I'd ask you not to grow a set of balls here on the forum, when its too late.

And for anyone to come onto this forum and say or even imply somone has an illegal car when you dont have the facts to prove it does another disservice to the series and the driver.

If you care at all about the series, then try to help us regulate the series in a constructive manner. Calling out drivers on this public forum when you havent spoke to the driver or Cup officials about your concerns is not helpful in any way, shape, or form.

Please think about the series before you begin typing and hit the Save button.

Thank you.

For those reading Clark's post let me respond to the accusation of a cover up as unfounded. I was unware of the ommison of the banner on the car until first advised of it by Clark Saturday after the second race, and immediately rectified the problem. And while I had a conversation with Karl about his forgetting to bring Racers Edge decals for all the cars to display, Karl and I never spoke about the windshield banner on his car. I had an abundant supply of banners with me, so there would be no reason for not giving one to Karl to display on his car.

I pointed out what I saw to John Brown.

Perspective. It's not something that happens on accident.

'02 - 3rd | '03 - 6th | '04 - 4th | '05 - 5th | '06 - 3rd | '07 - 5th | '08 - 13th (PT) | '09 - 18th (PT)

Not to drag this out, but� Friday, before lunch time, I was asked to check all the cars for decal compliance. I checked for, and supplied nine different sponsor and 944Cup decals.

Out of 26 cars, only three needed the windshield banner. I left a banner and other decals, in the driver�s seat for #641, and gave a banner and decals to #05 on Friday. I gave a banner to #94 on Saturday morning. Dave and I both had additional banners with us, so I don�t know how anyone got the idea we were out.

I reviewed my notebook last night, and did not find #371 (Karl�s car) on my list. While I could have missed him, I don�t think he arrived until later Friday afternoon or evening. Unfortunately, the rest of Friday I spent helping Dave notify drivers and officials of inspections, dyno time, and identifying the camera cars. Then I really got busy working with Tim Pruitt to repair his car, and running down spare parts for John Torgensen.

Reverting back to my driver role on Saturday, I didn�t think to continue checking for decals.

Not an excuse, just a simple statement of facts. I�m sure there is enough blame to go around, and I�m ready to accept my share.

John Mock
944Cup Southeast

And the same goes again to John Brown and Jim Burton, who really were tireless in their attempt to inspect cars for 2 straight days. I know I got a lot of thank you's from drivers, hopefully all the drivers took the opportunity to express their gratitude to you both for your efforts, I'm sure they we're all thinking it.

Thank you again from all of us.

Not sure if I understand what was being said here by Noel Hall.

One assertion is made that nothing was done by Katz to make his car compliant. How this was determined is not clear to me when says the drivers says changes were made.

Another assertion was that " we all (k)new Katz was over". Not sure how one would know what "all" knew or didnt know about what Katz was running, or who "all " is here, but my question is how "all" , whoever that is, knew what Katz was running at the end of the day for power to be able to cast a doubt on the Katz finish or will "always overshadow the results" .

If "all" are still interested, Katz dynoed well within the legal limits at the end of the day because of changes that were made to drop the performance of the car. So in my mind there is no doubt about the results, nor did Katz deserve any misrepresentation of his actions or his car's performance levels.